If. That's
a great story. Yes. I
am I
here
thank you we were caught. Twice first time I was incarcerated
and on my way to prison was in one nine hundred seventy six April I was on Rikers
Island for about and took January of next year Jan worst one nine hundred seventy
seven it was obvious sentenced the third week of January and sent up to Elmira
New York rection facility we I was supposed to begin my
rehabilitation as an enemy and
a convict once you're behind those Baugh's you know that you're not in control
you're just
a little minute piece of everything that's going on and taking
away my regular daily privileges that you're used to being out on the street that
was reform for me I couldn't go buy
a soda you couldn't see the sky if they were locked if you're locked in this part
it can change you for the worse instead of better it's really up to you they go to
prison learn
a lesson do what they supposed to of what society tells us we're supposed to do and
does it and succeeds so yes prison for reform still exists but nothing like it
existed twenty thirty forty years ago time or rather sixteen.
From there it just escalated you could say to his sense of being
a career criminal you know this. Kind of Life got. To where I was and.
Say About thirty. You know we're from Rikers Island upstate.
So all that kind of progress you know you can do more time where we every time I
come back almost I'm up there on my last sentence. Fifty eight months.
So I went to the. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Did some
time low medium. So. Yeah everything just
you know up into the hole in the box twenty three. You know I was just
a real knucklehead going to get them in ministration help me be reform myself and
I got tired of going back to prison you know my record. On you know thirty
something the US you know ran from police officers Numerous
a time you know and I would have known. Better. I just got tired of just one day.
I didn't wake up I got arrested again for the third time like going upstate again
for the third time I was just tired and. The form came where I spoke to
his brother Augustine. I said Man I'm tired of my life and. He was
a Christian and he saw me you know different
a different way you know and I say you know what like I never tried it God's way so
. Let me try God's Holy. Molly how best they can
give me my worst predicaments be in
a car. This is good this bad I mean I know the little kids love us old
ladies. Everybody is happy to see us and that feels good
filler appreciated about
a public I know so much has happened. You know you here in New York City or in
other places. But it feels good that I'm serving the public good and you know I
have people who are happy with the job that I do but I feel about prison reform.
Actually it's it's
a revolving door people in and out. There doing the same
things. People they come back are they just
a pick up any do the same things. I don't see the rehabilitation and the mindset
of some of the people that come out. It's not.
What you say. I mean they just want to on
a different they're just
a different person wants to come out arrested going after someone who has.
Murdered someone. Had
a violent history I mean you really think about it. You know you think
tactics approach this person. There's
a certain level of fear that you have to. That the unexpected You don't know what
to expect from this person. You know what grace
a guy I could tell you. Those encounters that I've had with people. It turn
out OK Bob I've always had children but right now they're working on
a job for less fourteen years practically since I was about
a year after I was released from prison the last bit that someone did time after
about
a year he didn't have that I was home lost dog back who attended
church because I knew man that was all for it me no woman going to AA. You know
not to call for feel nice about rehabilitation can people be rehabilitated I
believe yes already can.